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Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:24:00 -
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mxzf wrote:FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Just nerf the farming of vanguards and most of the complaints about incursions will melt away. This. Vanguards are clearly unbalanced compared to the other sizes of incursion sites. Also, Scout payouts and difficulty should probably be looked at. I ran a few sites just for kicks a bit ago and the salvage from the half-dozen wrecks was worth a few times more than the bounty itself (which is just kinda borked). They jump from being solo-able in a frig with 50k ISK and 50 LP payout to requiring a fleet of 6-10 BS/T3/Logis and paying out 10M+thousands of LP. It seems like Scouts should be manageable with 2-5 semi-skilled people and atleast pay out 1-3M, something between where they are now and Vanguards.
While I agree on scouts, you have failed to make a argument for or against buffing vanguards. Maybe it is not as clearly as you thought?
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Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:27:00 -
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Ehn Roh wrote:
Seriously, no. No, you are not. "Risk" is generally referring to risk from others, not simple PvE failure. Nobody really has any excuse to fail in PvE, it's simply a matter of preparation and execution.
Seriosly, no. Risk is generally not refering to risk from others. Risk is just risk. And anyway nobody really has any excuse to fail in PvP either, it-¦s is as well a simple matter of preparations and executions. |
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Posted - 2012.03.03 12:21:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:High sec incursion (especially vanguards) have far too little risk for the massive reward they get with a decent fleet.
Either nerf highsec incursions payout, or make it harder to farm them for a solid week before moving to another region.
One way to do this: End the incursion 24 hours after the mothership spawns. That or make the reward for the mothership site worth enough for people to break whatever deal they have about not running it, making them spend more time running from incursion to incursion, decreasing the earnings.
How long to you think the average incursion bear farms an incursion per day? If you want them to move 15-30 jumps every second day, you have to calculate this into the rewards as well. You do not want to make l4s paying better. A nomadic lifestyle is part of the incursion bears opportunity costs. Just as much as as defending sov is part of a null bears opportunity costs and getting killed randomly of low and null sec populations opportunity costs. As long as it is worth to pay this costs everything is fine and balanced. |
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Posted - 2012.03.03 12:37:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Just nerf the farming of vanguards and most of the complaints about incursions will melt away.
Together with people doing incursions in high sec ;-)
They are barely worth the trouble now already. But I agree, they are indeed very, very safe to fly. The risk involved doing vgs are not about losing your ship, but about wasting time. |
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